At 86, Marlene Shrubshall looks back on a life that didn’t always go to plan—and is grateful for where it led.

In this warm conversation with Ivan Yeo, she reflects on finding her own way through education, overseas adventures, music, motherhood and nursing. She remembers the people who encouraged her curiosity and the Māori communities who became her teachers.

A story of connection, discovery and listening beyond words, with a gentle message to her younger self: “It’ll be okay.”